Ok, I'm alive
Amazing how quickly fan opinion can pull a complete 180. A month ago Les Miles was God, Bo Pelini as the Guy Behind the Guy was God too, and perhaps even as much as the complete enabler of the former's being God.
Now? Not even close. CFN's Matt Zemek, with whom readers of this site may be familiar, deservedly fillets Miles after the disastrous showing against Arkansas.
However, when championships are waiting to be won and statements are waiting to be made, Friday afternoon's Arkansas ambush made one thing perfectly and overwhelmingly clear forever and ever: Les Miles can't strategize his way out of a paper bag. He's a fine human being--which should count for more in the long run than one's performance when wearing the headsets on the sideline--but for the record, this loss to Houston Nutt's Hogs proved, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that Les Miles is certifiably loony as a play caller, clock manager, and timeout juggler. In those three aspects of coaching (not the job description as a whole), Miles is a flunkie. Period
On the plus side, Zemek leaves open the possibility that Les could strategize himself out of a WET paper bag. That's a little less challenging than the regular paper bag. But yeah, I've got little argument. Some nitpicks on the article overall, but nothing major. (For instance, given Colt David's jitters against Florida, I don't really think all those fourth down calls were as much gambles as often pure necessity.)
And of the Auburn game, he states:
Aww shucks. If you Venn Diagrammed the implications of that sentence, we'd be among the folks on the outside of the sane brain cells camp. While I'll concede the overarching point that Zemek made in his clarification to the post-Auburn game article (linked above), I wasn't torn up about our last play call against Auburn leaving David with a 39 yard field goal if it failed.
And on the timeouts at the end of the Arkansas game, I'd take the opposite point: Les should have run the playclock down much further before calling those timeouts. And those were necessary. That WAS the ballgame, how could anyone possibly expect us to hold Arkansas to a 3 and out and get the ball back if we failed there? And the OT timeout on defense was a great call. Marcus Monk in the game with a huge mismatch, we had to call that TO to prevent a nearly sure TD. Of course, we gave it up anyway, but at least we diagnosed one problem and addressed it as we could.
Overall though, I really have nothing. We could downplay a lot of the signs while we were still legitimately in the national title hunt (Luck? Ridiculous play calls? Tell it to Jim Tressel and the 2002 National Champion Ohio State Buckeyes. 4th down at midfield with the season on the line against Purdue? Screw it, let's go for broke and throw it 50 yards to the endzone. Ahh, touchdown!). But there's simply no excuse for what we saw Friday. We can complain to high hell about how weak the 4th and 10 "no blitz" call was in the 2nd OT, and I'm certainly in the consensus that's furious about that idiocy, but to be honest, the way we'd been playing of late we'd have either had a nasty wake up call next week against Tennessee or in the national title game on a much grander scale. Despite the dearth of quality football teams this year, a number of teams out there would embarrass us if we put up anything remotely resembling the string of flat first halves we've displayed in the past two months.
On the whole, we're at two losses yet again and after three years under Miles, we will not have competed for a single national title despite what's generally been accepted as one of the Top 3 most talented teams in the country in that span (USC and Florida the others). I've defended Miles frequently on this site over the past year and change, but I've got nothing now.
As Zemek takes great pains to point out, Les is good at a lot of things that are required of a head coach. But he's got some clear flaws that look to prevent him from ever becoming a great one. If he can't deliver a national title with this bunch, by God, what's it take??
For your own enjoyment, TigerDroppings.com has created a separate Coaching Changes Board, replete with faithful Tiger fans who know how to track Baton Rouge booster flights. Separately, they've got up a list of specific potential hires for LSU should Les leave. Clearly much of that is just brain dump (i.e. Saban, Chizik), but worth perusing nonetheless. If Les does in fact get offered that Michigan job and accepts, odds are high the new coach would come from that list.
Of course, the rumor lately is that UM is all over Kirk Ferentz for the position.
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Vince Young?
On a serious note, I think you're being hard on Les for not delivering a national championship. Winning a national championship is HARD. It took Tom Osborne 20 years to win one. Bowden was at Florida State for like 15 years before he finally won it. Three 11-2 years in a row would be pretty darn good.
The greater concern should be some of his nonsensical irrationality on the sidelines, which began in the 2005 Tennessee game when he was screaming for a timeout on a change of possession late in the fourth quarter.
by Cola on Nov 26, 2007 2:23 AM CST 0 recs
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The Tennessee timeout started to get laughed off by us Tiger fans for awhile, but now it's more of a nervous "Wait, that was just a one time thing, right?" type of laugh off. Ahh well.
by GeauxTigers on
Nov 27, 2007 9:31 PM CST
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And think about some of the lucky things that other coaches needed to win:
Bowden needed Boston College to hit a last play 45-yard FG to beat Notre Dame in 1993 to finally win in 1993.
Miami needed Nebraska to go for the two and the win in the 1984 Orange Bowl, and fail, in order to win their first title.
Tennessee needed the ridiculous Clint Stoerner play in 1998.
Ohio State needed the Holy Buckeye play, plus the questionable late flag in the second OT, to beat Miami.
Mack Brown needed one of the five greatest college QBs of all-time to come in to overcome his poor coaching.
Bob Stoops at Oklahoma was, at the very least, helped by the fact that Florida State lost Mark Richt to Georgia before the bowl game and Snoop Minnis was suspended to win his title.
Those are just some obvious examples that quickly came to mind without any research.
I think coaches should be held accountable for lack of effort/discipline (on and off the field), substandard effort, consistently losing to a huge rival(s), consistently losing bowl games, repeated failure to win a conference championship (at least at the highest level programs...not at, say, Ole Miss which I still think held Cutcliffe to insane standards given the level fo the school). Those, to me, are all valid reasons for getting rid of a coach. Not winning a national championship isn't, again, given the luck necessary and just how hard it is to get through a season unscathed.
If LSU were to beat Tennessee and then win the Sugar Bowl, it would be hard for me to justifiably crucify Miles for going 12-2, 11-2 and 12-2 with a 3-0 bowl record and an SEC Championship. That would be a mighty impressive three-year record in the toughest conference in America.
All that said, I can understand and agree with the frustration of Miles because of things like questionable sideline decisions (not blitzing on fourth down vs. Arkansas, the 2005 Tennessee debacle, the last play vs. Auburn that you and I disagree about, constantly going for it on fourth down vs. Florida--those last two instances being some of the luck LSU got this year) and some of his loose cannon statements, like ripping SC's strength of schedule before the season (even though I probably agreed with him regarding the mediocrity of the Pac-10, it's not something a head coach should come out and say) and this week's comments about how LSU deserves to still be in the national championship hunt because their two losses are both in overtime (an idiotic argument). And, for that matter, calling them Ar-Kansas.
Nonetheless, it looks like Ferentz is no longer an option at Michigan and Miles is the man there as they have been granted permission to interview him after SEC Championship. I would be surprised if Miles didn't go. I wasn't convinced Miles was necessarily Michigan's top choice (because of the Carr factor) and the Ferentz stuff seemed to validate that but now I think he's their guy.
by Cola on
Nov 28, 2007 10:49 PM CST
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Good points, all
But yeah, I absolutely concede that not winning a national title in 3 years is not a big deal. Not winning a CONFERENCE title, despite two attempts, though, would be a little tougher to stomach. We could still win it, and perhaps win yet another BCS bowl game with the Sugar Bowl, but at this stage it just felt like we are not playing well enough to expect that.
by GeauxTigers on
Dec 1, 2007 10:37 AM CST
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As far as Miles' status as a coach, I completely agree with Zemek. He's great with everything but what is really his most important job: game tactics. I like Miles and would not want LSU to can him. But I hope he gets the Michigan job. It may be a pipedream but I'd like to see Tuberville or Rodriguez at LSU next year. And I'm sure there are several other, less established, candidates out there that would happily come to LSU and do us proud.
With all of the drama the last several weeks, part of me was relieved when the BCS title dreams finally came to an end. But it's a little difficult to swallow when you look at who's taking LSU's place atop the BCS standings. There really aren't any dominant teams this year pile-driving their way into the BCS title game. From that perspective, neutral college football fans shold really be lamenting the LSU and Oregon falls from grace. At this point I'm hoping that Missouri wins the Big 12 and we get a WVU - MU BCS title game. If OSU gets back in I'm really going to be pissed and hope for another blowout loss for them. It's a sad system when a BCS title game participant has a single win over the #18 BCS team as well as a loss against the #15. Sadly, WVU's resume is no better but my father-in-law is a WVU fan and alum so I'm not going to get too worked up about that.
One small little tidbit: Houston Nutt lacks class. Did anyone else see how pleased with themselves Nutt et al. were when they got in that last second timeout on LSU's 4th down play to tie in the 4th quarter? Flynn ran it in but they had to do it again and eventually passed to Byrd for the tie. I understand that they're allowed to call the timeout from the sideline. But, please, do it with some dignity. The game announcers had it right that the rule should be changed there. I don't want to be too harsh on Nutt based on one observation but that was really lame.
by crepuscular on Nov 26, 2007 8:35 AM CST 0 recs
Nutt et al
Regarding the relief bit, I agree that there are no dominant teams this year, but there are clearly a number of teams who are putting out better efforts with less available to them, so they deserve it so much more than we. I feel like West Virginia would run roughshod over us if given the chance. I know that's not true, and that we'd keep it quite competitive and possibly even be favored to win, but watching them execute is often a thing of beauty. I can use that phrase to describe us just once this year - against Virginia Tech. We peaked there, and so be it.
by GeauxTigers on
Nov 27, 2007 9:38 PM CST
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It's not about national championships
But Miles is just not a good coach. I've been very anti-Leslie from the beginning; with my opinion of him being lifted by what I thought was a brilliant strategy and gutsy execution against Florida this year. And the call to beat Auburn was smart and well-executed. In retrospect, though, I'm wondering if Leslie was actually coaching well, or maybe he didn't realize we were on fourth down in the Florida game and thought there was more time on the clock against Auburn.
I'm still on the fence about Pelini. Injuries have definitely been a factor, but you have to question his preparedness against Arkansas and execution - especially on the 4th and 10. He may, though, end up being a better head coach than defensive coordinator, so part of me would like to see the timing go down where Leslie leaves for Michigan before Nebraska offers their job to Bo. I'd like LSU to have a chance to evaluate Pelini as a potential replacement for Leslie.
by Capn Ken on Nov 29, 2007 10:16 AM CST 0 recs
Oh well
I don't have much argument with those who take umbrage at Les' being called a good coach. He has made more than enough questionable calls to make that argument at least rather debatable. I guess in the end I don't mind a guy who knows the odds of getting a yard on fourth down and goes for it with that in mind. It's certainly not mainstream, and as much as people call him a gambler, I'd draw a HUGE line between outright speculation and only rolling the dice when the odds are in your favor. In the long run that strategy ought to yield the ultimate dividend. So the gambling I don't have a problem with. It's the inability to come out firing on all cylinders. I think we've only seen it from this team twice in big games - the Va Tech game this year, and the Miami Peach Bowl in 2005.
by GeauxTigers on
Dec 1, 2007 10:43 AM CST
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Offical: Les Miles To University of Michigan
They were pretty downbeat on LSU's options, since AD Skip Berman is set to retire in June '08.
Well I am not as down. Although I am a homer I think LSU is a top 10 national program. A place like Michigan, Bama, Notre Dame, USC, et al. A state with great high school players where you are the only major program. Rabid fans. 100,000 seat stadium. Best conference. A decade of winning at the highest level.
We'll get a coach that will keep that tradition going
by tommyguniii on Dec 1, 2007 9:28 AM CST 0 recs









